KnockoutJS - Frustrations with ko.computed and an AJAX request

Question

I am simply trying to pull some data from an ajax request. The ajax call works - I know the data is retrieved. But it just isn't setting the value of the ko.computed...

        function viewModel() {
            this.Id = ko.observable("@Model.Identity()");
            this.Points = ko.computed({ 
                read: function () {
                    $.ajax({
                        url: '/skills/points',
                        data: { id: this.Id },
                        type: 'get',
                        success: function (data) {
                            return data;
                        }
                    });
                },
                owner: this
            });
        }

So a call like ...

<span data-bind="text: Points"></span>

Just isn't working. Can anyone help me figure out what I am doing so wrong?

Update

I'm using the following code, following RPN's suggestion - and I just can't get it to function at all. It won't look at the controller, it won't return the data... it just does nothing. I've tried all three examples given with no success.

<script type="text/javascript">
    //an observable that retrieves its value when first bound
    ko.onDemandObservable = function (callback, target) {
        var _value = ko.observable();  //private observable

        var result = ko.computed({
            read: function () {
                //if it has not been loaded, execute the supplied function
                if (!result.loaded()) {
                    callback.call(target);
                }
                //always return the current value
                return _value();
            },
            write: function (newValue) {
                //indicate that the value is now loaded and set it
                result.loaded(true);
                _value(newValue);
            },
            deferEvaluation: true  //do not evaluate immediately when created
        });

        //expose the current state, which can be bound against
        result.loaded = ko.observable();
        //load it again
        result.refresh = function () {
            result.loaded(false);
        };

        return result;
    };

    $(document).ready(function () {
        function User(id, name) {
            this.Id = ko.observable(id);
            this.Name = ko.observable(name);
        }
        function viewModel() {
            var self = this;

            this.User = ko.onDemandObservable(this.Update, this);

            this.Update = function () {
                return $.ajax({
                    url: '/home/user/',
                    data: { id: 1 },
                    dataType: 'json'
                }).pipe(function (data) {
                    return new User(data.Id, data.Name);
                });
            };
        };
        var model = new viewModel();
        ko.applyBindings(model);
        model.User();
    });
</script>

<span data-bind="text: User.Name"></span>

Update (2)

Following more instructions, I have narrowed down some of the problem. Defining the callback as a function on the viewModel doesn't seem to work (I am not sure why) but declaring an inline function does yield ... something different. Still isn't working though. Here is an update.

<script type="text/javascript">
    //an observable that retrieves its value when first bound
    ko.onDemandObservable = function (callback, target) {
        var _value = ko.observable();  //private observable

        var result = ko.computed({
            read: function () {
                //if it has not been loaded, execute the supplied function
                if (!result.loaded()) {
                    callback.call(target);
                }
                //always return the current value
                return _value();
            },
            write: function (newValue) {
                //indicate that the value is now loaded and set it
                result.loaded(true);
                _value(newValue);
            },
            deferEvaluation: true  //do not evaluate immediately when created
        });

        //expose the current state, which can be bound against
        result.loaded = ko.observable();
        //load it again
        result.refresh = function () {
            result.loaded(false);
        };

        return result;
    };

    $(document).ready(function () {
        function User(id, name) {
            this.Id = ko.observable(id);
            this.Name = ko.observable(name);
        }
        function viewModel() {
            var self = this;

            this.User = ko.onDemandObservable(function(){
                $.ajax({
                    url: '/home/user/',
                    data: { id: 1 },
                    dataType: 'json',
                    success: function (data) {
                        self.User(new User(data.Id, data.Name));
                    }
                });
            }, this);

            //this.Update = function () {
            //  $.ajax({
            //      url: '/home/user/',
            //      data: { id: 1 },
            //      dataType: 'json',
            //      success: function (data) {
            //          self.User(new User(data.Id, data.Name));
            //      }
            //  });
            //};
        };
        var model = new viewModel();
        ko.applyBindings(model);
        model.User();
    });
</script>

And then trying to display any of the data retrieved still fails.

<span data-bind="text: User.Name"></span>

Update (3)

A bit of a breakthrough! If I change the declarative binding to look like this ..

<span data-bind="with: User">
    <span data-bind="text: Id"></span>
    <span data-bind="text: Name"></span>
</span>

Then I am starting to see results. I think I am almost getting there...

Answer 1

As SLaks pointed out, you cannot do it this way due to the call being made asynchronously, i.e., the "read" function returns before the response got retrieved. I would recommend something like this:

function viewModel() {
    var self = this;
    this.Id = ko.observable("@Model.Identity()");
    this.Points = ko.observable(0);

    var refreshPoints = function() {
        $.ajax({
            url: '/skills/points',
            data: { id: self.Id() }, // <-- you need () here!
            type: 'get',
            success: function (data) {
                self.Points(data);
            }
        });
    };

    // Now subscribe to the ID observable to update the points whenever the 
    // ID gets changed:
    this.Id.subscribe(refreshPoints);
}